Talk:Uranian

The meaning of the term

 * The term was not used to refer to feminine men - it was used to refer to homosexual men and love between men. Valiyan Oshkayn (talk) 11:05, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Urning is seen as an early reference to trans women (euphemized as "feminine soul in a male body") as well as feminine men. If uranian is etymologically related to urning  and Ulrichs, then it carried this connotation with Symonds and the Uranian movement. If it didn't, then yeah, it was exclusive to one context. There's contention and an unclear etymology, which is why this expanded definition has to be here in some capacity (whether mentioned in the intro or in the History section) for full transparency. -Bluesprucedude (talk) 12:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

No, the term uranian was not used to refer to trans women - it was used to refer to homosexual men. The fact that Ulrichs himself attributed male homosexuality to the "female essence" of the urinians does not mean that this is a term for trans women - it just means that Ulrichs explained male homosexuality as a kind of "female inner nature." Therefore, the term was never used for trans women. In addition, the first sentence should contain an up-to-date contemporary definition, not a historical overview of etymology. As for the alternative flag of the Uranians, it is clearly not relevant, since it defines the "Uranians" not as "homosexual men", but as "queers" in general, which is incorrect. Therefore, finding this flag in the preamble is not particularly correct. Valiyan Oshkayn (talk) 12:50, 23 May 2021 (UTC)